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- CommentAuthorMichelle D
- CommentTimeApr 21st 2010
Please join us to discuss Making a Difference, Take Two. -
- CommentAuthorMichelle D
- CommentTimeApr 21st 2010
Due to technical difficulties and frustrations, this article has been reposted and can be discussed here. Thanks to those who helped! -
- CommentAuthorAlison Moore Smith
- CommentTimeApr 25th 2010
Michelle, I think it's all good now! :) Thanks for your patience. -
- CommentAuthorAlison Moore Smith
- CommentTimeApr 25th 2010
This is beautiful. :) Good on you, Michelle.
A friend of mine in Florida often had "mental health day" for her kids when they couldn't face school. We do this kind of thing a lot, because, to me, school is just a resource and if attending is going to be damaging to a kid, they don't go. -
- CommentAuthorjennycherie
- CommentTimeApr 26th 2010
I am bummed to see the comments on the original thread are all gone. . . I can't remember what I said!
Anyway, I think this was a great article. These transition times, especially when it means getting ready to leave to go somewhere are HUGE stress times in our home. It has improved recently simply because my husband and I are working more as a team, and, sadly, because he has been late recently (because it is really hard to get kids out of bed and moving when I have laryngitis). Most of the time, taking a "mental health day" is just not an option for us since both my husband and I have to get to work. I'd love to think that will change soon, but that is doubtful. Here are the questions though that really get me to thinking:How often am I too caught up in the daily necessities? How often am I willing to drop the to-do list to meet the needs of others? How often am I taking advantage of these moments to really, truly spend time with my kids? How often would the “kidnap / escape” response fit a situation better than the “checklist” response?
How can we make a difference - doing the little things that inexorably shift a mood, an attitude, a life - every day of our lives?
How often am I too caught up in the daily necessities?? ouch, frequently. Pot: Kettle as Me: Martha (no disrespect intended toward Martha, I think she is often horribly misunderstood--someone had to get dinner on the table, right?)
I do notice that I tend to get caught up in what I need to "get done" instead of focusing on nurturing my children.
How often am I willing to drop the to-do list to meet the needs of others? ? I really don't know! We do frequently change course when necessary, but the to-do list does get in the way.
How often am I taking advantage of these moments to really, truly spend time with my kids??This is a *real* challenge and concern for me. We don't have a lot of time together and it seems like a lot of our time together is eaten up in fixing dinner, doing homework and getting ready for bed. What I do see is that the little rituals of FHE, prayer & scripture and doing chores together are much more important times for being together, provided we keep the right spirit while we are doing it!
How often would the “kidnap / escape” response fit a situation better than the “checklist” response?? Good question - is there a way to adapt this when staying home is not an option? I have on occasion taken a kid to work with me when I thought s/he would fall to pieces if s/he had to go to school, but I really try to avoid that for the precedent it sets. Plus, while I *love* what Michelle did and think it probably did a lot for their relationship and for calming things down, I also think many times that my kids need to learn to function in less than ideal situations. Is this really mean of me? I mean, we can't stay home for every headache and stomachache and cranky day (and Michelle, I know that is *not* at all what you are suggesting), and I see many of my college age students who think they need to stay in bed for every minor, non-contagious ailment, so I want to be sure my kids know that they *can* make it through the day even if all is not 100% well. I am not sure if encouraging them to be strong or if it is just really insensitive.
How can we make a difference - doing the little things that inexorably shift a mood, an attitude, a life - every day of our lives??I would really love to hear ideas for this! At our house, when my husband and I are both in sync and handling things well, we can pretty easy help ease our kids into good moods, but things are not always ideal. I think sometimes I need a referee to blow the whistle and STOP me when *I* am the one who needs an attitude change!
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- CommentAuthorMichelle D
- CommentTimeApr 26th 2010 edited
Thank you, Alison! I'm sorry the original comments were deleted, but hooray for fixing the problems!
And thanks for your input, Jenny, especially for answering the questions. I didn't really expect the discussion to reveal personal answers... just to get people thinking like I had the opportunity to do.
For us, one of the reasons this "mental health day" was so effective was because it was so unusual. We just don't often let our kids miss school (or part of school) for reasons other than illness. Our normal reaction is to take a little time to try to help calm the stress and the frustration, to talk through issues, and then basically to "take a deep breath and keep going."
I believe our kids (and Ray and I, too) have had some pretty pointed lessons over the past few years in learning to function in less-than-ideal situations. Lamaze breathing techniques are our number one choice of dealing with issues - whether it is emotional stress or mental fatigue or physical ailments.
Taking a deep breath and trying to step back from the problem to view it more objectively are usually effective methods in reducing this type of angst.
The other reason this worked for us is simply because of the "ironic, coincidental" timing. Even one week earlier, I would have been rushing out the door for my CNA class. I would have (hopefully! ... but unfortunately, not always) picked up on the bad mood vibe, but I wouldn't have had the time to talk much with my daughter - let alone help rescue her from showing up late with tears still in her eyes.
So Jenny, I say don't feel bad that giving your kids a mental health day just doesn't work well for your family in your current circumstances. It sounds like you are well on your way to understanding what will work for you (teamwork and resolving issues as much as possible before they become huge and uncontrollable).
I asked these questions because I often react the same way you mentioned. I needed to ask and re-evaluate for myself, and figure out how to apply the principles in the future. (Because you know with 5 girls in the house, there will always be a "next time!"
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- CommentAuthorAlison Moore Smith
- CommentTimeApr 28th 2010
jennycherie, I'm really sorry! The only comment I saw was yours (I think?) that copied the first part of the feed!
Posted By: Michelle Decause you know with 5 girls in the house, there will always be a "next time!"
Truer words were never spoken! -
- CommentAuthorAlison Moore Smith
- CommentTimeApr 28th 2010
Posted By: jennycherieI also think many times that my kids need to learn to function in less than ideal situations.
I'd challenge that idea. Although I really do AGREE with it, I think that our general way of thinking about that is off-kilter. One of the most common complaints I hear about homeschooling is that "kids should go to school to learn to deal with mean people." Well, golly, why not just round up some bullies and throw them in a pit with your kids?
I just think there are SO many times we have less than ideal situations, that there are few times when we need to say to our kids, "Well, I know you feel like crap, but you must do X anyway because it will teach you a lesson." If you know what I mean. So although I agree that we need to learn that, I don't think we usually need to force that lesson. Life is a pretty good enforcer.I mean, we can't stay home for every headache and stomachache and cranky day (and Michelle, I know that is *not* at all what you are suggesting), and I see many of my college age students who think they need to stay in bed for every minor, non-contagious ailment,
I can share my experience. I'm pretty easy about letting sick kids stay home from stuff. But we almost never (pneumonia is the only time I can think of...) do the "I am so sick I will stay in bed and watch TV and be waited on" thing. "The sick one" might sleep in, but mostly being sick just means doing your reading in bed and getting more juice than usual. Usually when we're sick we do the same stuff but at a lower level. My sick kids usually do chores and dishes even, but maybe with some help.
But even though my kids can pretty much decide when they are too sick to go to school or church or other places, my college kids almost never miss school. Belinda didn't miss any days her first or second semesters. And I only know of two days Jessica has missed in four years. I think it's a function of (1) not making sick days super rewarding and (2) they know they are totally responsible and, as adults, staying in bed and missing school has some pretty negative consequences. (Another reason it's good for kids to pay for their own college. They CARE more about how they do.)
But jenneycherie, I think there are LOTS of ways you can do this kind of thing even if you can't skip school. What about taking a kid out to a movie or park or for ice cream or something -- when they are supposed to be doing dishes or chores? Or really anything surprising and fun. How about taking them out on a school night -- after their bed time? I'm sure others have more creative ideas, but maybe that's a start. -
- CommentAuthorjennycherie
- CommentTimeApr 28th 2010
Posted By: Alison Moore SmithWhat about taking a kid out to a movie or park or for ice cream or something -- when they are supposed to be doing dishes or chores? Or really anything surprising and fun. How about taking them out on a school night -- after their bed time? I'm sure others have more creative ideas, but maybe that's a start.
actually, those are really great ideas. thanks!Posted By: Alison Moore SmithOne of the most common complaints I hear about homeschooling is that "kids should go to school to learn to deal with mean people."
I've certainly heard many versions of that, so I see your point. For my kids, I am mostly worried about not giving in to every illness that miraculously afflicts them when there is something happening at school that they want to avoid (like a test, usually). -
- CommentAuthorMichelle D
- CommentTimeApr 28th 2010
For my kids, I am mostly worried about not giving in to every illness that miraculously afflicts them when there is something happening at school that they want to avoid (like a test, usually).
My brother was a pro at that! I've heard it at times from some of my kids, but they know if they are too sick to go to school, they are too sick to play with friends afterward. That usually cures most "mysterious" illnesses! And I agree with Alison - my older kids don't want to miss because they are mature enough to realize that catching up is worse than most non-contagious illnesses.
Alison, I love your ideas, too! Anything surprising and fun would work to help a child (and adult!) feel special and move on after a tough day. -
michelle im glad you rewrote this for us. i think a day like that is good for everyone sometimes.
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I just got to read this and it gave me some really good ideas. I need to try some new things. Thank you.
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